Ever think it's all a ruse? I think Trump might have some shady dealings in his past, but he's a smart enough guy to cut ties when he sees a risk being higher than reward. That's what I think happened with Epstein, and Musk is just using the fact that Trump already was a known contact and "in his files". But for their relationship to sour so quickly makes me think it's all a show for some reason or other. Or perhaps a distraction. But it's not the main event.
In fact the guy who had arranged the sweetheart deal that permitted Epstein to get off w one state charge + a fed non-pros agreement in 2008 was Trump's first Labor Secretary Acosta (2017-19).In 2019 he had to resign, in the face of the facts that came out about this smarmy deal, which had been arranged for Epstein when Acosta was US ATT for the So District of Florida.
I've ALWAYS said that no Democrat would release the files because their friends are also in them. I've said it to MAGA folks, and they act like they can't hear me.
In fact such "coincidences" were the gift that just kept on giving. That Miami property that Trump "slightly out bid" Jeffrey
Epstein for with $40 mm, borrowed entirely from RU-friendly Deutsch Bank
in 2004? in June 2008, just as Trump was on the verge of his 7th bankruptcy, along came Dmitry Robolovlev, a Russian "potash tsar," who generously paid him $102.8 mm for it. That was just enough to repay DB the $40 mm he still owed in the midst of the global financial crisis.
"Rybo" went on to acquire a controlling interest for a time in the Bank of Cyprus, where he was joined after 2013 by Josef Ackermann, a senior Swiss exec from Credit Suisse who served as Deutsche Bank's Chair from 2002-12 + facilitated a variety of favorable deals for Trump.
WIlbur Ross, Trump's future Sec of Commerce, would serve as BOC's Vice Chair, along side Vladimir StrzhalkovskIy, x CEO of Norilsk Nickel + Rostourism who had helped Putler organized the Winter Olympics at Sochi, + key BOC investor Viktor Vekselberg.
Why were NONE of these potential Trumputin FINANCIAL shenanigans ever been properly investigated by US or EU/UK authorities -- including Mueller + Comey + Wray,? Why are the facts about Trump's AND Musk's congenital soft-spot for Putin only just now emerging? Why has the US media + so-called "investigative journalists" been obsessed with "secret lists" + salacious Steele-memo type speculative poppy-cock? Stay tuned.
In fact Trump + Epstein had many indirect biz connections. Just to mention one: One of the key minority investors in Trump crony Felix Sater's NY Real Estate firm Bayrock LLC, which invested in the Trump SoHo + other key projects, was a Kazakh group of influential wealthy investors known as "The Troika." When Ghisleine "Maxwell" (Hoch) was arrested in Bradford NH in early July 2020, about 1 hr 40 min from her new husband's house near seaside village of Essex, Mass., photographers on the beach in Essex were surprised to see that a huge Mediterranean luxury yacht just so happened to turn up just offshore. It belonged to a key Troika member, Alex Maskevich. Just pure coincidence, almost certainly.
This guilt by Epstein association has ensnared so many famous people, even Steven Hawking, all of them almost certainly innocent of any wrongdoing.
Despite his own association with Epstein, Elon is certainly the most prominent amplifier of this dumb Epstein conspiracy theory that I'm sure the Clintons, Trump, Jews, Israelis, and everyone in the Black Book wish everyone would just forget. The powerful are paradoxically powerless to do anything to challenge this wildly exaggerated tabloid story that appealed to a credulous population desperate for stories of elite criminality.
Is anyone going to tell the truth about what is happening here? Or is the Epstein story, whose only real purpose now is to cast shade on his associates and Israel, just too much fun?
You sound as if your name or someone else whom you know is on there.
If it’s not true that Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell ran a human trafficking operation to ensnare billionaires and powerful people, then why did Epstein kill himself in prison? (Or, did he not?) And why is Ghislaine Maxwell in prison (or is she not?).
I’ve read stuff by Kirby Sommers (who was a victim herself of another Jewish billionaire), and there was a former Boing Boing journalist/editor who’s moniker was @xeni Jardin (real name Jennifer Hamm) who wrote many tweets talking (albeit vaguely) about her attendance at the now infamous (yet mysterious) Edge dinners put on by Jeffrey Epstein. Attendees included: Bill Gates (whom she said was totally disgusting), The former president of Harvard Lawrence Summer, Pinkerton, etc etc etc.
And this was tied to MIT tech labs and Joi Ito.
And, why did Les Wexner give away his $47M Manhattan mansion to Epstein - the one where Bill Clinton’s wearing a dress in a large oil painting.
I could go on.
To me, this whole sordid situation has become its own psyop to entertain, placate, and finally desensitize the American populace.
"If it’s not true that Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell ran a human trafficking operation"
Oh please. Epstein's supposed "human trafficking operation"? He had some teenage girls come over and give him a massage where he masturbated himself and paid them $300. This "operation" was more like "Pretty Woman" than "Taken". No one was forced against their will. If these girls had all been 1 day over the age of 18, he'd be living out the rest of his days in near obscurity.
If Maxwell was involved in some sort of sex trafficking "operation", why was the government only able to find a single woman (a schizophrenic drug addict who heard voices in her heard) who, years later, suddenly remembered Maxwell's involvement? Hell, the government didn't even charge Maxwell with sex trafficking at first. You'd think that if Maxwell was a running a sex trafficking "operation", the government wouldn't need to put a schizophrenic perjurer on the stand to prove it. But they did. So what does that tell you?
Yes—Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell ran a trafficking operation. That’s not speculation. That’s the basis of a federal conviction backed by extensive evidence and multiple survivor testimonies.
This wasn’t “Pretty Woman.” It was child exploitation.
Girls as young as 14 were lured in, groomed, and then recruited to bring other minors. That’s not a “massage ring”—that’s trafficking under federal law.
And no, it wasn’t just one witness.
During Maxwell’s trial:
Four survivors testified under oath.
Their accounts were corroborated by flight logs, house staff, financial records, and seized photos.
Not one was a “schizophrenic perjurer.” That’s a disgusting lie—and an old tactic used to discredit women who come forward.
Maxwell wasn’t charged “late” because there was no case.
She wasn’t charged until after Epstein’s 2019 arrest and death. Prosecutors then built a meticulous case—resulting in a 20-year sentence for sex trafficking minors.
This wasn’t a misunderstanding.
It was systematic abuse, protected by money, media silence, and people like you who gaslight the truth after the damage is done.
So what does this tell you?
That the survivors were right.
That the system finally—barely—worked.
And that dismissing their trauma as some kind of “regretful escort service” is grotesque.
It is speculation. I already addressed this, you must have missed it. If Maxwell was involved in some sort of sex trafficking "operation", why was the government only able to find a single woman (a schizophrenic drug addict who heard voices in her heard) who, years later, suddenly remembered Maxwell's involvement? Did the Mossad use their Jewish space lasers on the ones who could point the finger at Maxwell?
"Villafaña acknowledged that investigators were aware of Epstein’s longtime
relationship with a close female friend who was a well-known socialite, but, according to Villafaña, in 2007, they “didn’t have any specific evidence against her.”
Wow, the investigators talked to 29+ girls and had no specific evidence against Maxwell. I thought she was one of the ones running this "trafficking operation"? That's weird.
"Four survivors testified under oath."
Only one of the four """survivors""" (who survived the unspeakable horror of giving a massage where a 50 year old man masturbated under a towel) alleged they were "sex trafficked". Why do you speak so confidently on things you have no understanding of or interest in?
"Not one was a “schizophrenic perjurer.” That’s a disgusting lie—and an old tactic used to discredit women who come forward."
Not a lie at all. Carolyn was a schizophrenic who heard voices in her head that her kids would be kidnapped and sex trafficked, which is a very typical Qanon delusion (Page 126 and page 130 of her testimony given on December 7th). Go look it up before calling me a liar. Again, don't speak confidently on things you have no understanding of.
"Maxwell wasn’t charged “late” because there was no case."
What's with the quote "late" here? I never I said she was charged "late". You're about as delusional as Carolyn!
"resulting in a 20-year sentence for sex trafficking minors."
The only minor she was convicted of """sex trafficking""" was Carolyn.
"That the survivors were right."
It tells me that Maxwell was not a """sex trafficker""" if the only witness the government could find for this charge was a schizophrenic perjurer who sex trafficked three of her own friends to Jeffrey Epstein.
"And that dismissing their trauma as some kind of “regretful escort service” is grotesque."
Yeah, the "trauma" of giving a 50 year old man a massage where he masturbated under a towel. Clearly Epstein's house was a regular Auschwitz. So much so that Carolyn went back over a hundred times and sex trafficked her friends to him too. So traumatic that, “during interviews conducted from 2006 to 2008, no victims expressed a strong opinion that
Epstein be prosecuted.”
It's weird how these """survivors""" didn't even particularly want him to be prosecuted until there were millions to be made off the Epstein estate and god knows who else. Suddenly they become """victims""" and """survivors""". 🤮🤮🤮
I proudly give you the "fell for it again" award for your unbelievable credulity.
Sounds like a Roy Cohen technique, in terms of dropping the "dime" on Epstein:
Attack, attack,attack (in this case by dropping the dime). Then admit nothing, and deny EVERYTHING. So it seems possible Trump was being proactive when he cut ties because of Epstein's activities. In other words, because of his association, it is better to smear Epstein first, thereby discrediting anything Epstein might say about Trump after. Let's not forget what Trump did to E jean Carroll.
Michael Wolff says he has seen the Epstein files and there are about 12 photos of Trump with topless and naked teen women and one where he has wet his pants and four topless teens are pointing at it and laughing
Ever think it's all a ruse? I think Trump might have some shady dealings in his past, but he's a smart enough guy to cut ties when he sees a risk being higher than reward. That's what I think happened with Epstein, and Musk is just using the fact that Trump already was a known contact and "in his files". But for their relationship to sour so quickly makes me think it's all a show for some reason or other. Or perhaps a distraction. But it's not the main event.
In fact the guy who had arranged the sweetheart deal that permitted Epstein to get off w one state charge + a fed non-pros agreement in 2008 was Trump's first Labor Secretary Acosta (2017-19).In 2019 he had to resign, in the face of the facts that came out about this smarmy deal, which had been arranged for Epstein when Acosta was US ATT for the So District of Florida.
I've ALWAYS said that no Democrat would release the files because their friends are also in them. I've said it to MAGA folks, and they act like they can't hear me.
You’re spot on, from my vantage point based on hundreds of articles, blogs, and tweets I’ve read since 2018.
In fact such "coincidences" were the gift that just kept on giving. That Miami property that Trump "slightly out bid" Jeffrey
Epstein for with $40 mm, borrowed entirely from RU-friendly Deutsch Bank
in 2004? in June 2008, just as Trump was on the verge of his 7th bankruptcy, along came Dmitry Robolovlev, a Russian "potash tsar," who generously paid him $102.8 mm for it. That was just enough to repay DB the $40 mm he still owed in the midst of the global financial crisis.
"Rybo" went on to acquire a controlling interest for a time in the Bank of Cyprus, where he was joined after 2013 by Josef Ackermann, a senior Swiss exec from Credit Suisse who served as Deutsche Bank's Chair from 2002-12 + facilitated a variety of favorable deals for Trump.
WIlbur Ross, Trump's future Sec of Commerce, would serve as BOC's Vice Chair, along side Vladimir StrzhalkovskIy, x CEO of Norilsk Nickel + Rostourism who had helped Putler organized the Winter Olympics at Sochi, + key BOC investor Viktor Vekselberg.
Why were NONE of these potential Trumputin FINANCIAL shenanigans ever been properly investigated by US or EU/UK authorities -- including Mueller + Comey + Wray,? Why are the facts about Trump's AND Musk's congenital soft-spot for Putin only just now emerging? Why has the US media + so-called "investigative journalists" been obsessed with "secret lists" + salacious Steele-memo type speculative poppy-cock? Stay tuned.
In fact Trump + Epstein had many indirect biz connections. Just to mention one: One of the key minority investors in Trump crony Felix Sater's NY Real Estate firm Bayrock LLC, which invested in the Trump SoHo + other key projects, was a Kazakh group of influential wealthy investors known as "The Troika." When Ghisleine "Maxwell" (Hoch) was arrested in Bradford NH in early July 2020, about 1 hr 40 min from her new husband's house near seaside village of Essex, Mass., photographers on the beach in Essex were surprised to see that a huge Mediterranean luxury yacht just so happened to turn up just offshore. It belonged to a key Troika member, Alex Maskevich. Just pure coincidence, almost certainly.
The notion Trump ever turned in Jeffrey Epstein for trafficking or anything else is pure nonsense.
This guilt by Epstein association has ensnared so many famous people, even Steven Hawking, all of them almost certainly innocent of any wrongdoing.
Despite his own association with Epstein, Elon is certainly the most prominent amplifier of this dumb Epstein conspiracy theory that I'm sure the Clintons, Trump, Jews, Israelis, and everyone in the Black Book wish everyone would just forget. The powerful are paradoxically powerless to do anything to challenge this wildly exaggerated tabloid story that appealed to a credulous population desperate for stories of elite criminality.
Is anyone going to tell the truth about what is happening here? Or is the Epstein story, whose only real purpose now is to cast shade on his associates and Israel, just too much fun?
You sound as if your name or someone else whom you know is on there.
If it’s not true that Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell ran a human trafficking operation to ensnare billionaires and powerful people, then why did Epstein kill himself in prison? (Or, did he not?) And why is Ghislaine Maxwell in prison (or is she not?).
I’ve read stuff by Kirby Sommers (who was a victim herself of another Jewish billionaire), and there was a former Boing Boing journalist/editor who’s moniker was @xeni Jardin (real name Jennifer Hamm) who wrote many tweets talking (albeit vaguely) about her attendance at the now infamous (yet mysterious) Edge dinners put on by Jeffrey Epstein. Attendees included: Bill Gates (whom she said was totally disgusting), The former president of Harvard Lawrence Summer, Pinkerton, etc etc etc.
And this was tied to MIT tech labs and Joi Ito.
And, why did Les Wexner give away his $47M Manhattan mansion to Epstein - the one where Bill Clinton’s wearing a dress in a large oil painting.
I could go on.
To me, this whole sordid situation has become its own psyop to entertain, placate, and finally desensitize the American populace.
It’s confounding and annoying.
"If it’s not true that Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell ran a human trafficking operation"
Oh please. Epstein's supposed "human trafficking operation"? He had some teenage girls come over and give him a massage where he masturbated himself and paid them $300. This "operation" was more like "Pretty Woman" than "Taken". No one was forced against their will. If these girls had all been 1 day over the age of 18, he'd be living out the rest of his days in near obscurity.
If Maxwell was involved in some sort of sex trafficking "operation", why was the government only able to find a single woman (a schizophrenic drug addict who heard voices in her heard) who, years later, suddenly remembered Maxwell's involvement? Hell, the government didn't even charge Maxwell with sex trafficking at first. You'd think that if Maxwell was a running a sex trafficking "operation", the government wouldn't need to put a schizophrenic perjurer on the stand to prove it. But they did. So what does that tell you?
Yes—Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell ran a trafficking operation. That’s not speculation. That’s the basis of a federal conviction backed by extensive evidence and multiple survivor testimonies.
This wasn’t “Pretty Woman.” It was child exploitation.
Girls as young as 14 were lured in, groomed, and then recruited to bring other minors. That’s not a “massage ring”—that’s trafficking under federal law.
And no, it wasn’t just one witness.
During Maxwell’s trial:
Four survivors testified under oath.
Their accounts were corroborated by flight logs, house staff, financial records, and seized photos.
Not one was a “schizophrenic perjurer.” That’s a disgusting lie—and an old tactic used to discredit women who come forward.
Maxwell wasn’t charged “late” because there was no case.
She wasn’t charged until after Epstein’s 2019 arrest and death. Prosecutors then built a meticulous case—resulting in a 20-year sentence for sex trafficking minors.
This wasn’t a misunderstanding.
It was systematic abuse, protected by money, media silence, and people like you who gaslight the truth after the damage is done.
So what does this tell you?
That the survivors were right.
That the system finally—barely—worked.
And that dismissing their trauma as some kind of “regretful escort service” is grotesque.
"That’s not speculation."
It is speculation. I already addressed this, you must have missed it. If Maxwell was involved in some sort of sex trafficking "operation", why was the government only able to find a single woman (a schizophrenic drug addict who heard voices in her heard) who, years later, suddenly remembered Maxwell's involvement? Did the Mossad use their Jewish space lasers on the ones who could point the finger at Maxwell?
"Villafaña acknowledged that investigators were aware of Epstein’s longtime
relationship with a close female friend who was a well-known socialite, but, according to Villafaña, in 2007, they “didn’t have any specific evidence against her.”
Wow, the investigators talked to 29+ girls and had no specific evidence against Maxwell. I thought she was one of the ones running this "trafficking operation"? That's weird.
"Four survivors testified under oath."
Only one of the four """survivors""" (who survived the unspeakable horror of giving a massage where a 50 year old man masturbated under a towel) alleged they were "sex trafficked". Why do you speak so confidently on things you have no understanding of or interest in?
"Not one was a “schizophrenic perjurer.” That’s a disgusting lie—and an old tactic used to discredit women who come forward."
Not a lie at all. Carolyn was a schizophrenic who heard voices in her head that her kids would be kidnapped and sex trafficked, which is a very typical Qanon delusion (Page 126 and page 130 of her testimony given on December 7th). Go look it up before calling me a liar. Again, don't speak confidently on things you have no understanding of.
"Maxwell wasn’t charged “late” because there was no case."
What's with the quote "late" here? I never I said she was charged "late". You're about as delusional as Carolyn!
"resulting in a 20-year sentence for sex trafficking minors."
The only minor she was convicted of """sex trafficking""" was Carolyn.
"That the survivors were right."
It tells me that Maxwell was not a """sex trafficker""" if the only witness the government could find for this charge was a schizophrenic perjurer who sex trafficked three of her own friends to Jeffrey Epstein.
"And that dismissing their trauma as some kind of “regretful escort service” is grotesque."
Yeah, the "trauma" of giving a 50 year old man a massage where he masturbated under a towel. Clearly Epstein's house was a regular Auschwitz. So much so that Carolyn went back over a hundred times and sex trafficked her friends to him too. So traumatic that, “during interviews conducted from 2006 to 2008, no victims expressed a strong opinion that
Epstein be prosecuted.”
It's weird how these """survivors""" didn't even particularly want him to be prosecuted until there were millions to be made off the Epstein estate and god knows who else. Suddenly they become """victims""" and """survivors""". 🤮🤮🤮
I proudly give you the "fell for it again" award for your unbelievable credulity.
Sounds like a Roy Cohen technique, in terms of dropping the "dime" on Epstein:
Attack, attack,attack (in this case by dropping the dime). Then admit nothing, and deny EVERYTHING. So it seems possible Trump was being proactive when he cut ties because of Epstein's activities. In other words, because of his association, it is better to smear Epstein first, thereby discrediting anything Epstein might say about Trump after. Let's not forget what Trump did to E jean Carroll.
Propaganda bullshit lies
He is t the only reason
Michael Wolff says he has seen the Epstein files and there are about 12 photos of Trump with topless and naked teen women and one where he has wet his pants and four topless teens are pointing at it and laughing
It wasn’t pee.
Keep this tea coming, Vicky!