"The Investigators Who Were Unwilling To Believe Epstein's Victims Were Male"

Hey Everyone,

I was honored to chat with the great Julie K. Brown this morning - our second interview in recent weeks, discussing our takeaways from the Epstein Files. You can subscribe to Julie’s substack here.

As usual, Julie makes many great observations:

1. According to her reporting, the male investigators in the Epstein case have seemed averse to pursuing any potential co-conspirators besides Ghislaine Maxwell. The few women prosecuting or investigating the case felt differently.

2. We discuss the “messiness’ of this story. Julie feels it’s unfair of Congress to call Sarah Kellen to testify, because, yes Kellen recruited and groomed other victims, but she was a victim herself.

3. Both us of think the testimonies so far are a “side-show.” But we hope that the depositions of Richard Kahn, Epstein’s accountant and Darren Indyke, his lawyer, will be more fruitful. We wonder why Lesley Groff, Epstein’s long-time assistant has not been asked to testify. Julie notes that her lawyer made a proffer to the government at one point.

4. Julie tells me Sen. Ron Wyden is getting push-back from the Treasury as he continues on his push to uncover Epstein’s money-trail. That is too bad.

5. Unlike me, she didn’t get any push-back from Epstein himself when she was reporting her brilliant 2018 series “Perversion of Justice”. She thinks it was because he didn’t consider The Miami Herald a publication of national importance. How wrong he was! We discuss the importance of local news.

6. We discuss how the Files show that there is friction between some of the lawyers and their clients: the survivors. Also friction between some survivors and journalists, as I’ve written about here before and talked about in my podcast series Chasing Ghislaine.

7. We get into what it’s like in our own lives trying to stay on top of this. Some of the crank calls and emails we get. And we get into how now more than ever - it’s so important for journalists to push for objective truth - and refrain from political partisanship.

8. Julie’s wifi cuts out at the end!! But we shall be back with more.

Thank you Dani Smart, Morra Aarons-Mele, Pamela, KittyKat Lo, Lyse 📎, and many others for tuning into my live video with Julie k Brown! Join me for my next live video in the app.