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Pasqual Allen's avatar

Greed money had alot to do with it.

Pasqual Allen's avatar

Thank you Vicky. Making a lot of sense.

Don Buckter's avatar

Thank you for this discussion. All these men. All their families. All their children. Their daughters. All their charities. All their religious affiliations. All their privilege and immunity and misogyny and concentrated power. Their education. A “class” unto themselves. Today we call it the “Epstein Class” and they would prefer that we do call it that. That gives them a scapegoat. Cover. But really it’s the “Ruling Class” and it’s been around forever. Karl Marx was on to something. But so was FDR. As were John Maynard Keynes and Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis too for that matter. A different class of men, those guys. But a “class” nonetheless. … None dare call all this what it is. Class struggle.

Jill Watt Torrance's avatar

Thank You Ladies for a brilliant discussion. To use Holly's adjective, information was captivating. For me it was enlightening. I have never comprehended just how intense the Epstein situation was but you explained that there is WAY more behind the horrendous pedofile situation. MY thoughts remain with the survivors

Thank you for such viable input. From a Scot in Hawaii...Mahalo and Slainte Mhath

Holly Peterson's avatar

Maholo back to you. Of course, our thoughts are with the survivors. My piece was specifically not about sex element and I wanted to stay on that because the “other reason’s people hung out or bantered with Epstein if it wasn’t sex” hasn’t been explained or laid out I don’t think. But we should have spent some time on them and any discussion should spend some time on them.

Here is one very good piece with the same type of thesis and purpose:By https://www.nytimes.com/by/anand-giridharadas

Susan Kain's avatar

I've always enjoyed socializing and professional networking, in the way of Chinese guanxi--opening doors and optimizing personal connections. It doesn't have to be tawdry.

Thank you both for the straight talk.

Lucy Sykes's avatar

Super Smart - basic human connections - great team V and H x

June and July's avatar

It seems like, all things considered, that these hungry-sweaty folks are not evolved enough to understand they are acquiring nothing of actual value

Badjuju's avatar

Epstein was just the high stakes player but if you look at every industry especially things that are degrading like porn it’s all run by those people.